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manu's avatar

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Buhahaha, blaming jibby jabby effects on e-cigs. Strange how these effects never presented in the first 18 years of vaping, with most participants in the early days being older smoking damaged persons, who should be more susceptible to further horrendous damage from a flavored Vapor machine, than young healthy never smokers. How about a study on who had the jabs and vapes, and who didn’t get the toxic bio weapon jabs and vapes. Note, it will never happen if left up to the authorities, and if it did it would be rigged to support the official narrative, taxes and corporate profits.

Merry Christmas, hope the anti tobacco harm reduction movement are pleased with the untimely deaths of 7 million smoker every year, good on ya eugenic loving godless corporate schills.

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manu's avatar

I delved into this due to troublesome neighbors and stumbled upon something significant. This might be a major factor contributing to deaths in young people. The timing aligns! Consider other factors, especially since some content in these products overlaps.

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Mat K's avatar

What content overlaps? PG is not PEG, no sane vaper would vape PEG. THC vapers use PEG sometimes in home made recipes, but that is not recommended by anyone with half a brain who does 5 minutes of research. The negative vaping studies are all funded by special interest groups to keep the MSA $ and taxes rolling in, with profit funding deep state agendas and keeping big pharma and medical treatments rolling in cash. Keeping pensions down with tobacco users generally dying around retirement age is very handy too. The system is shit scared of vapers living 20 years longer on average than smokers. Research indicates vapers take hours off their life expectancy rather than smokers taking decades of theirs.

Basically the same con artists who sold us C19, and all its predecessors are selling vaping disinformation. I have followed the vaping story in all its facets for 6 years now, which helped me quickly understand the C19 scam from the outset.

EVALI was noted to the authorities as a coming problem a year or more before the trouble started-by the industry leading Leafy magazine. The authorities ignored the brewing storm, as if wanting it to play out so they could use it as ammunition to help destroy the grass roots of nicotine vaping. Adulterating THC carts across legal/illegal state borders with VitEacetate thickener to indicate quality / undiluted product, caused all the problems, oil based products should never be inhaled. All nicotine vapes are water soluble / sugar alcohols. EVALI disappeared as soon as the black market problem was exposed and eliminated, mainly due to suppliers realizing their error was not good for business and using GRAS PG to increase their profit, or suppling unadulterated regulation products.

Some big names have tried to tie in EVALI and C19 but go quiet quickly when confronted with the simple fact that the demographics are totally different.

EVALI was part of a perfect storm at the time, with teen vaping concerns(Think of the children playbook, utilized as they could find nothing wrong with vaping it’s self). Tied in with the juul / big tobacco push to saturate the market with easily accessible plug and play technology, and all the negative publicity that caused. Ultimately leading to the FDA approving only big tobacco vaping products thus far out of millions of similar but not as well backed grass roots vaping company products, who are being forced out of the market. Experienced DIY vapers enjoyed massive harm reduction at 1/300th of the cost of tobacco(based on Australian costs), big tobacco / big pharma's monopoly on the market is leading too comparable or higher pricing, and unattractive products that will deter current smokers from switching and drive ex smoking vapers back to evil expensive cigarettes. Nuff said.

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Here are some of the ingredients that can be found in both, vaccines and vaping products:

alcohol

benzene: The cationic or ionizable lipid materials, such as 1,2-di-O-octadecyl-3-trimethylammonium propane (DOTMA), N, N-Dimethyl-2,3-bis[(9Z,12Z)-octadeca-9,12-dienyloxy]propan-1-amine (DLinDMA) and N1, N3, N5 -tris(3-(didodecylamino)propyl)benzene-1,3,5-tricarboxamide (TT3), with one or multiple amino groups, can be positively charged at a certain pH, which helps encapsulate the negatively charged mRNA molecules via electrostatic interactions and associate with the cell membrane

hexane: the COVID-19 vaccines, including the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, contain ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), which is a compound that helps the mRNA enter cells. This compound contains the element hexane (damaging to fertility and organs).

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Dr. Konstantinos E. Farsalinos, M.D., who is a research fellow at the Onassis Cardiac Surgery Center in Athens, and at the Department of Pharmacy, University of Patras. (@ time of publication) Pointed out that scientists keep ignoring the dry puff phenomenon “and instead of them verifying realistic conditions in their experiments, they consider theoretical the criticism they get for their own omission! “ he called this study a disappointment, and ended his article by saying “In conclusion: “Benzene formation in e-cigarettes: it does not exist…”

Levels of hazardous substances potentially emitted by vapes are at levels greatly below the cigarettes they are designed to replace. If you don’t smoke don’t vape. Vaping, like alcohol and sex should be for mature consenting adults who understand and accept potential consequences.

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manu's avatar

Kindly point to the data.

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Mat, kindly provide a link to the supporting data for your statement.

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Mat K's avatar

I painted a mosaic from many sources. I build my paradigm from 10,000 hours of personal interest, in a non professional manner, I do not build databases of links personally. Sorry. Any of the many influential advocates and organizations will have a much more complete picture on their websites. If your commenting on vaping you should be familiar with the wealth of information from both sides.

Perhaps you have read the Stanton Glantz study on heart attacks caused by vaping, which did a lot of damage to vaping’s reputation before he finally albeit quietly retracted it as the peer reviewers discovered all the heart attacks occurred in smokers before they ever started vaping. Over and over, vape bashing science has been thoroughly debunked upon peer review, the deck is financially stacked in favor of legacy group think, each published junk study doing more damage before it is exposed, yet the general public are blissfully unaware.

ASH . ORG . UK. Cochrane tobacco addiction group. World vapers alliance.

CASSA. American Vaping Association. Global State of Tobacco Harm reduction. CAPHRA. The counterfactual- Clive Bates. UKVIA. AVCA NZ.

Vaping Post. Vaping 360. Planet of the vapes. Brent Stafford. Colin Mendelsohn. Supply links to endless other studies, go surfing if your interested.

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There is no denying that vaping products with nicotine expel nicotine, which can cause a racing heartbeat and increased blood pressure. Nicotine in vaping devices leads to a spike in adrenaline, resulting in higher heart rate and blood pressure within 30 minutes of use.

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Mat K's avatar

So can coffee, both mild stimulants.

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

It can cause damage, but it was 2019 when EVALI suddenly appeared and then disappeared. Very strange.

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Mat K's avatar

I searched and found it in under a minute.

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